Hi, and welcome to another Scientology Outside of the Church. This is season fourteen. Episode eleven part ten. And the title of this episode is going to be How Scientology Survived outside of the church directly after our KSW connection series episode that we released a couple of days ago. I'm here with Quenton and Simphiwe. How are you guys this morning, this afternoon? Do it fantastic. Okay, great. So we're gonna get right to it and get on with the show. Here we go. So where we ended off at in the last episode is we were talking about KSW and why it was important, and we talked about Charles Berner. Um And now we are at 1968. Uh the year of my birth and the year after I drop the body in the Mediterranean, uh following Lrh around the world. And um this is gonna get interesting, so hold on to your seeds, folks. Folks. Lot of inter information here that you may not have heard on the internet before. Uh from the my viewpoint uh creating AOGP and Quenton and Simphiwe. Uh wins and successes and travails, so here we go. So basically three years after the door closed. Charles Berner had started his own thing. a splinter group uh that LRH calls in policy um Or you could use the term squirrels and this comes uh hot on the heels of him and LR H. having uh disagreements uh regarding some of the study tech. So he ran his first Enlightenment intensive. This is in 1968. Uh and after keeping Scientology working in um 1965, 7 February. So Berner that we mentioned in episode eight. Had gotten the bright idea to do his own thing. Okay, so this is the framework for all of this. and how we're going to move forward and watch this whole thing um unfold. as connections. So I hope you can stick with us on this because it's it's uh There's a lot of connections to this th th 'cause there are a lot of fragments and splendor groups and everything, even all the way back Uh to nineteen fifty one after Dianetics came out. And so all of this stuff has looped and the subsets of it and everything we're gonna try and unpack. This so there's a better understanding of why LRH wrote Keeping Scientology and what the effects are all the way up today on us doing this podcast. So This brings us to the dyad. Okay, so we're gonna unpack this real quick. Now what this has to do with is It's basically the DNA on The TRs and how Berner pulled all this stuff forward. Okay. And this is really hard to explain. You might have to look up the word diad. So the format is two people face each other. One gives an instruction A single contemplation question. Okay, now this is gonna sound familiar because it's the TRs. The other contemplates and communicates what arises, the first acknowledges. And you have your T R two and your T R one and all this, okay. Anyone who's ever studied the auditing com cycle would recognize this as TRs, but this is how this whole thing came forward in Berner's. uh modification or more correctly put, the alteration of the tech. That's why we talked about keeping Scientology working. Okay. So We've traced this all back from Freud, Korsbitsky's abstractions, the Veda. And um Gautama Siddhartha, the ten thousand years and Everything that came forward with Math Mathison in the E meter. So this is basically The structure flowing out of the subject changed, altered, stripped down, modified. uh squirreled, if you will. So what Berner said is that and what he built is his take on it or interpretation. Now and and Quenton can probably and Simphiwe both actually because they're both uh pretty good scholars on the Bible and everything. And we can go into this for a minute because it's it's relevant. How all of these things are similar. as a parallel to churches. And how this happened. What what what say ye, you guys, on this and how this is a a a parallel how things are done. versus how we've seen this in in other earth religions and earlier religions. You guys wanna Give me your input on that because I think that's germaine. Yeah, just looking at it for me, you have someone who comes in and then gets Like uh maybe some big wins from one section of the Bible, one section of Christian doctrine or whatever religion. And that stands out for them, and then they end up deciding to go out and start their own church. Which focuses on that specific thing. So then that's like a splinter. But this one now is different from the original from where it came from. Uh and there's different reasons why people do that. But that's that's what I'm seeing though. Well, I think it's a very important thing The lack of information is one of 'em. Yeah, exactly. Misunderstoods, definitely. Definitely. But then he ends up Knowing the main group that they were in and then they start their own thing. That could be one reason. Well, and also, I mean, when you when you're looking at things in a from a myopic viewpoint, yeah, I c I can see that. Like so for example Um this is no disparaging statement on any But for example, there's Church of God in Christ. Right, which basically believes being baptized in Jesus name. Right. And then there's uh the Baptist church, for example, that baptized the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. So just that one um differentiation between those two groups, you would think like it's a whole different It's a whole different cult, if you will. Like if you if you ever attend a church of God in Christ. Pentecostal church, okay? You'll be like, what is going on? Yeah. Yeah. You got everything from running around, tambourines, jumping on cues. Walking on the eyes. Oh that flavor. I've seen that on Tiki. Yeah, and and so and and and you go to a more of an uh An episcopal or episcopal church, rather, an episcopal church is It's more subdued because they believe in more epistemology. They believe more in the study of the word. They believe more in you know, education of the scripture. Like um even when I was a part of the Unitarian Universalist They had a whole group called relig religious education. And so like If you went to Sunday school, that would be Sunday school for the kids. our kids didn't go to Sunday school as unitary universities. They went to s religious education. And they got almost like a degree in religious education before you get out of the a senior in high school, you had a religious degree almost. So it was really, really, really different just to based on these quote unquote sprinter groups based on what they feel they believe is most important to focus on in this case Berner really wanted to focus on this diet, really wanted to focus on the communication and two way calm and stuff like that, which is a thing. So yeah That gives it a lot of uh meat. I'm also thinking of the other The other line where you would have the main group uh having been either taken over by an outside influence or Uh someone like the the people in charge have misunderstood of their own and leading everyone astray. Like I I'm I'm I'm taking from like the the like the Catholic Church and the whole thing with the with with with the splits that happened from there. Uh I think it was Martin Luther King not Martin Luther King when Martin Luther Martin King With that the kingdom. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Cause now they were like looking, wait a minute, this is out. Uh Everyone should be able to read the Bible. It shouldn't be just a few people. And then they're trying to fix that and then you also have a splinter that happens that way. 'Cause they're trying to reform or trying to fix. So yeah. Well, Yeah. Yeah. So it it it it bears noting that You're looking at a situation where you're not going to be able to If if somebody has a small amount of information and they're looking at well, let's say like the the TRs. Two way communication. And that's all they know. Right. And so they they And and I I don't I say this jokingly, but not jokingly. And they decide to start A splinter group or start a religion. Okay. Because they got wins on it, because it works. I get it. Because it works. And that's that's how many connections. I mean, there are God, there are probably thirty or forty or fifty, maybe more different. Splinter groups, probably more. That all have their connections to all of LRH's subsets and his distillation, his discoveries that he's put together. And They only go as far As what they learned. What they know. Okay. Now if you were to look it up today, you would see that Berner's Splinter Group died out decades ago. Why? Because he didn't have the access to all that LRH had created. He only knew what he knew, and that was canon. For him that was enough. I've seen this I've seen this in the independent field. with independent and free zone Scientologists who they never got any further than Pro TRs. Literally, literally. And that's how they're crazy. Yeah, or grade zero. You see where I'm headed, Quenton. Grade Zero Plus. Grade zero plus. And And then they decide. I'm gonna start my own religion and I'm gonna recreate the bridge in my own fancy creative image. And you you see how far that goes. These are all subsets, loops, misunderstoods. And everybody and LH talks about this so much. About how everybody wants to put their spin. on it which leads us back to why he wrote keeping Scientology Working. Mm-hmm. And every you know, that's that that is the primary impulse. In the axioms, the Scientology and Dynamic Axioms is a Thaetan wants to create. But if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Leave it alone. But then you have these ARC breaks because of those overts that we talked about. And those misunderstoods. Or even worse. Unknown information. Hear me. Unknown information is one big wopping Misunderstood because it falls under the definition of a made up definition. You're dubbing in. This goes back to dianetics and the axioms. If you don't know something, you make something up. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit. Make it a little funny. These are the subsets. Yeah. These are the subsets, loops, and recursion. We've been talking about um why we're talking about it now in this podcast. I mean that's the lineage of it. And you see this all throughout Southeast Asia. If you talk to people, and I have, and I'm sure Quenton will will um Second this this emotion that Today in Thailand. . . Quenton, what happens in Thailand when somebody goes to um A a Buddhist temple. What is it that they do now? in comparison to what they used to do ten thousand years ago. And and if you give a different answer, it's not wrong. But this This will definitely lead to my point of what we're talking about here. What happens in a Buddhist temple now in Thailand. What do they do? Wow. Uh well so first off uh the Buddhist monks aren't allowed to uh get paid so they're not allowed to get money and so what ends up happening is when you go in at the very Well the temples that I've been to, when you go in at the front through the front gate, there's Usually, usually some kind of um purchasing market kind of thing inside the temple. where you're buying stuff for the monks. Uh everything from toilet tissue and I and I've I've purchased stuff for them too. Like, you know, a bit you they have in a nice baskets and very ornate baskets for the monks. And you want to make sure that the monks get their toiletries and their toothbrushes and toothpaste and stuff like that. So it's usually stuff like that. Sometimes food and sometimes even candy, stuff that they're not necessarily they can't buy anything for themselves is the idea. So going into the Buddhist temple You're literally coming in to purchase something and then They put it in the back and that that was your offering, quote unquote, to the temple, your benevolence. Or your um your your uh benefit. Uh Kōsen-rufu, I think is what it's called in Japan. And so you're doing this thing in order to benefit the monks. Uh and then of course you go in and they give you the you know the blessing and all the stuff that they do and stuff like that. But there's um Chanting and so yeah, I mean it's it's It it has remnants of the past, but with this new fangled way of serving. The the the class, so to speak. Mm-hmm. Okay. Now that's that's all good and fine, and that's completely accurate. Now when somebody goes into the temple, what is it they're asking for? Primarily. If you don't know this, this is fine. And I I only ha have this on one degree of separation, but it really opened my eyes. When people go in there, what do they go? to into the temple after they've gone past the monks. Uh-huh. And they they they get up there. What is it there? They're they're praying for the thing. Usually good luck blessing their business, blessing their crops, if they got if they're farmers like blessing some kind of blessing or bit or good luck. Okay, good. Do you see the contrary facts and the drift that has occurred and this has become a Winter group? Yeah, because because a Shakamuni Buddha uh said after katama shakamuni he would have been like wait a minute We we're here for enlightenment. Like he he he fasted until you can see his bones. And you want a bounce bounty for harvest like that ain't right. Right. So this is a splinter group. Yeah. It's it's it's literally a new take on it. Right. Just just like we were talking about about all of the Bible. Splinters and and their their shifts is that There they're variations on a theme. based off of somebody else's interpretation. Mm-hmm. Isn't that interesting? Mm-hmm. So This has been happening well, it's been happening a lot longer than ten thousand years. It's been happening happening practically since the beginning of this universe and and and the earlier iterations of it. So This this is painting a very accurate picture of Where things are, where they were, and that brings us to Good old, as LRH puts it, good old dianetics. Yeah, because in what like around nineteen sixty nine, it was really standardized. Obviously nineteen fifty Uh is when the book was written. And then in 1969, Dianetics was standardized. and to the point where it really got reorganized and reissued to really pin down and and lay down this is how we do this and this is how it's gonna continue to help us progress. But then in nineteen seventy eight, new era dianetics. came out, okay, redeveloped again, New Era Dianetics. And it was put on the grade chart, uh, NED, NED on the Grade Chart, New Era Dianetics. and a new way of delivering it. Both of them was after keeping Scientology working, making sure Scientology was working. But if you notice it wasn't a new group. trying to come up with his own new thing, right? It was This redevelopment, this reorganization, this reissue of recursion. This is right. There you go. There you go. And so KSW was still in. KSW is still in even with these recursive improvements to the tech. And that's how we got different bridges. If you go through the um the years and you'll see different bridges coming out um and things of that nature so all of these recursive improvements were there in order to keep Scientology working literally. But LRH said it, he says group effort will not add to it or successfully alter it. This isn't keepingology working. So There's not the group it's not this new group effort. It's not this new hey, let's go and do our own thing. Let's come over here and and And da da da it's it's it's actually sticking with the tech and making And making sure that it continues to be apply correctly because we now know that it's correct and let's make it be apply correctly. Mm-hmm. So it's it was a refinement by him. Right. Right. To note Accent on ability. Right. Yeah, yeah, an accent on ability. Did Did a person's ability improve? Did the the auditing process in this case Dianetics and and there were many improvements from book one to uh the l late sixties version of Dianetics where you could actually do book one on a meter and there's a policy on it as we've mentioned before then Then we had expanded dianetics. which we've also talked about before, expanded dianetics was used to improve a person's OCA. And the OCA was was was basically the template of what you were using Dianetics on that handled evil purposes. And all of this back in 1970, 71. And then we had the book Standard Dianetics. in nineteen four nineteen seventy four, seventy five, that introduced the entire check sheet and caused the biggest boom in Scientology to date at that time. And only a couple of years later. Did LH change it to new era Dianetics after he had found and wait for it? That people had altered what was in the nineteen seventy five technical volumes and said I didn't say that to Dan Kuhn and he He said, All right, we're gonna research this with his agents. in the Sea Org before there was AI, and he made some other discoveries that put Postulates and a bunch of new rundowns on there, and how you do the dianetic. uh procedure from beginning to end But it was an improvement upon already found technology that was working very successfully, your Scientology and Dianetics wouldn't have been around in the seventies. So that's very, very d important to understand that this is recursive improvement. Not not digression or regression. Right. Right. And that And that and that's the difference between the splinter group And what LRH was doing. Right. Okay, I'm sorry, but it's okay. No, no, I was just gonna say that he actually says this in H C O B of 21 Uh June nineteen seventy eight. Yeah, I was gonna say in nineteen fifty I said We should build a better bridge. Well, in nineteen seventy eight, here is a dinic section of the bridge. Talking about New Era Dianetics. And and one one other thing I keep uh the keep coming keeps coming to mind is that LRH has been looking putting distaling all of this information With connections going all the way back. And he's the one who's been there throughout. And then if someone else comes and then they learn uh like over three years some amazing stuff But they do not have the background, they don't have the context. If you have the context, context is king, then you'll you're your your your LM can work and do wonders, but if you don't have the context You in trouble. And it's the similar thing here. Like a guy comes in He lends TRs and he's like, Wow, this is amazing stuff. I'm gonna go start my own thing. The TRI the TRI Right, right. But that's all that's all he has because that's all he knows. But then there's all this background music. I think that's what he calls it in admin uh in admin tech, like when we're doing our admin training. is like when you're running an org, it's like you're playing the piano. And to play the piano you need to have the background music, you need to know those policies. And what's supposed to be there and where it came from, why it's not done, what is it fixing, because If you don't have that and you s decide that you're gonna start your own thing, you're gonna hit Rocks very soon. And your boat is gonna sink. Right. And in the in that that the the playing the piano reference he's he's Talking about you need to know your executive basics. And and and and right, right. That's that's that's right. And it's a really good analogy. that if if you have the the the music is the understanding of uh beats. That's the you know, as a as a comparison That would be like the axioms is to To us and what we're talking about. And what he discovered that went all the way back down the time track. And so if you understand these basics and you build everything off of it in keeping with those basics, then you're gonna be all right. It's only when you start adding things like he was talking about in keeping Scientology working, that things go astray or you don't have all the context. So that brings us to the meter. All right. So we had we had the Mark IV early on. We had Mathison's meter. Uh before that. Uh and then all the way through the Mark eight. in the church and now the theta meter and our meter that's going to be released. Here real soon. Our meter brings it back to the axioms. As a as recursion. Keeping it on policy. So here we go. So you had the Mark Five, which was the work the workhorse, the Mark IV American version was questionably. questionable at best and LRH had the Mark V developed in England. And the Mark Five was used All the way up until the late seventies until the Mark Six came out. Then you had the Mark Seven, the Mark Super Seven, which um has your Automatic sensitivity, which is not something LRH added, and to note is a regression because you have to have a proper frame of reference on what it is you're looking for. and sensitivity should be handled by The human in the loop, not by a circuit. Okay, so here we have another deviation going off into the the beaten path into something, and this is where this leads. Because both the church itself started to squirrel. even with the meter round about 1980 even even earlier honestly But it was starting to show up. Okay. So keep this in mind that Both in the hardware and the software, if you will, the policy uh tech things started to drift more on this later. So this is important to note because In the journal of Scientology, Elliott Rage said. Basically. Basically, don't do this. Do not do this. LRH was already off of the line. Uh due to his decision in nineteen sixty eight Which he talks about, interestingly enough, in our two hundred and fiftieth episode. that we published a couple weeks ago and says that he has turned the lines over to church management. This is where things started to drift. Okay. So every every new mark answered the Math is in question. Okay. Until LRH was off the line and things started to drift. Now this is going to move forward. into nineteen fifty Dianetics. and how it was spreading through its groups all the way back in an earlier loop. Well, I was gonna say too on the on the meter portion too, you know, and this is just from my own uh my own auditing solo auditing practice. But I I have noticed even with that I need to be able to control the sensitivity. When you mentioned that, I was like, yeah. Because as I'm in session, I need to be able to control the sensitivity, especially when Um how do I say this? change or read differently or show up in a different way or whatever case may be. one needs to be able to have control of that. So I didn't even think about that. from a hardware standpoint that that even is a uh a a deviation or or a splinter off of what should be working. Yeah it's a regression. because it was never intended to be uh something that was monitored by a circuit. Because if if you have a meter And the meter automatically changes the sensitivity. The read you were looking at now becomes something much bigger. Or much smaller. And you're you're you're dealing with in a Well it's it's an altar is. That's the only way to put it. Axiom eleven is it's an altar is And now you're operating off of a false stable datum. Literally. And what does that do? It sells more intensive. Oh, right. Look, look at that! Look at how big that fall is. Look at how my gosh. Uh yeah. You get it? You do you see how this goes into splinter groups and everything and the church became its own splinter group? Right. Well, I mean, but but in all fairness though, it isn't there Uh especially with as technology when I say technology, modern technology. as modern technology continues to advance, isn't there more and more ways that uh that could be handled or could be looked at. I mean obviously because like let's say from for example, the Mark five to the Mark Six, or the Mark Six to the Mark Seven. Like there was upgrades I'm using that in air quotes there was upgrades that were able to be put in place because there was modern more modern technology and then even to what we're designing and how we're how things are coming out. There's There's abilities and stuff like that that can be done now, even remotely, for example, that Can't be uh uh looked into, is that right? Yeah, well let me let me let me give you an example Um and and I'm just I'm just this is just Speaking hypothetical, this isn't anything that we're developing. But if you if you look at the axioms and you look at The meter is based off of those axioms. It's a physical universe representation of mental mass. The either the the presence or lack thereof or change in state. Uh That's all the meter does. That's it. It it isn't it it doesn't diagnose anything. It just says There, there, and there, not there. That's it. It's a thermometer. It's a thermometer. That's why that's the thermometer. Thermometer. Okay. Okay. Tell the famers. That's the root word, for God's sake. Electropsychometer. Right. Exactly. That that's all it is. But the thing is, is when you alter that Now you're dealing with an a a regression based off of the axioms. Now On the other side of that, getting into what I was saying, this isn't something that we're researching, but I I have observed is I I'm sure anybody with with Half a brain. There are technologies That one could use as long as they are in line. with the axioms and all that came before it to produce those. where you could have another type of sensor. or meter that goes along with the the you know our meter for example or the theta meter or even uh uh a mark seven i wouldn't use a mark eight if you paid me but um You can actually have uh These sensors that are meters for other areas of the Electromagnetic spectrum that you could see Math, I'll just use that word not to do any spoilers for the OT levels. You could see mass departing from a pre O T in session. Uh using uh fly by light technology on a modern iPhone while the PC pre O T is in session. What it now what is what does that prove? What does that change? Nothing. Except it validates LRH's tech. Hmm. It just validates it is another way to see other than the meter visually as opposed to electrically they're all electrical because they're in the electromagnetic spectrum But you see these these uh fly by light Um apps uh what used to be the Xbox Connect and you could dance in front of the Xbox and you can see you're you're you're dancing there and it makes a wireframe of your joints and your limbs and torso and everything, you could do that. And that would be a really cool way to demonstrate. what's going on in an an OT session and show it to people. And you know, I'm I'm I'm It's not something that we're we're looking at doing. Um I've actually produced uh a um blog post about it back in twenty nineteen. So this is something that you could do, but it Again, it doesn't alter, it's just a validation. that LRH tech works because of modern technology. So you're not changing anything, you're just metering it in a different part of the spectrum as opposed to just electrical pushing a needle to uh seeing it on a computer screen screen or a phone screen or whatever saying, yep, the old man was right. Yeah, and I was I was just gonna say that it's almost kind of validating to the axioms. And to what LRH discovered because it's like, wait, there's more. Yeah, and you can show that to somebody and say, see, the OT levels work. Look at the meter. Look what's look what's happening in the room in a part of the spectrum that the human eye can't see. That that is undeniable proof unless a person is just completely in denial. Yeah. In the river. No I'm I'm looking at the the fact that you have You have the physical instrument And then you have the operating basis or the operating principle. What you are doing with the f with the meter. And if you're not what you're looking at is doing it Doing the same thing, using another thing, but if you keep to keep the operating principle there, which is you observing this phenomena. and you're using this tool to observe the phenomena. And it will it will it actually improves it, it makes it even more effective and Verifies like it like you're saying it verifies what was already there. Like oh yeah, the stuff really works. Yeah. Yeah. And and then and that's that's the thing that needs to be push because you like LRH talks about in um Many of his lectures were in a push button society. And so if you can use those tools to demonstrate that this works. Uh based off of the success stories that somebody has from Scientology auditing uh and it's it's Manifest it's there in front of them and they can see this and go, What was that? Right. Are you kidding me? I mean that the the you know it's not just a needle on the dial, and there's lots of other technologies Like this too. You know, you've got your curlien technology in a person's field. All of the stuff. They're just they're just different types of metering, something that L H said. is created by that that thing. Because a at Thaeton is not comprised of matter, energy, space, and time, though it can pre- create it per the axioms. Right. So that leads us to Dianetics in 1950, like I was saying earlier. Yeah. And this this for me, this is like one of my favorite subjects. Like from the first year. That it traveled through people. Um You have the book coming out in 1950, and within short f a few short months. There were over seven hundred groups practicing Dianetics throughout the US. Just the US alone. And then the word Scientology arrives in 1952. By then Dianetics had already been carried by carried out by hundreds of Groups of ordinary people auditing each other. Now why this matters now every episode in this session in the season has been putting the chain before the institution. Now 1950 shows that what happened at the start. Like how this subject spread from person to person, group to group. It was like you have people taking on this material. Reading it, it makes sense, and they start applying it on someone else, and it does what the thing does what it says. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then from there you get people that have misunderstoods, overts, motivators, all that. All of that stuff. And then they go, no, no, no, it says this. And no no no, it says that. I disagree with you. No, I disagree with you. I want to create my own thing. [bleep] LRH, you know? You know that And so and so let's come up the time track. And now we're gonna get to the meat and potatoes as to how Scientology Moved into the field outside of the church because of all of this. And even on the dianetics on the dianetics point too, that When these groups so I did a Dynast group years ago back in uh Maryland. And we had nineteen people Uh that showed up for my Dynatics group. And we were in there and we were running it. We were running it. And we had um So many people getting crying and snot and tissue paper. Everything it was just a lot going on. And um in these spaces, you do get people that They they I don't I don't say they disagree with what they're what's what's it called Jonathan where they they disagree with their own data or something like that. Like it's like wait that can't that can't be right. that can't have happen. Like you get that actually happening with somebody who is not proficially trained in DNA is just a you know person off the street kind of thing What is that disagreeing? What did you say disagreeing with your own data or something like that? Well it's not it it's a not is. Yeah, you're not using your own data. Yeah. Yeah, I mean but so many the the What some people just talked about here, the all of this coming out of these groups is huge. Well then. Well, then we start to see this now go into the Scientology side. So back in the early eighties. Um right before was shortly before LRH died, Captain Bill Robertson, who was a Sea Org veteran, Right. He was one of the founding senior officers. He left and started Ron's Org. Uh a continuing line uh delivering the bridge outside the church and even coming up with their own upper level materials beyond what uh the great chart currently offers shows. And so the these independent lines began to form even decades. since after LRH's drop body. And so uh Bill Robertson materials and even uh other documentation shows that whether it's briefings, issues, course materials, all this stuff was out there. And Jonathan, you know how you talked about a little bit about how it kind of started to disseminate, quote unquote. And get out there and more and more conversations happen around it. More and more people, and now you got. All kinds of stuff. The Esperianism, what is it called Esperanza? You got it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you've got you've got Subsets and and and shifts and all this stuff going out there. that that are subsets of subsets of subsets because of misunderstoods And I'm not saying this about about uh Bill Robertson stuff per se. But You know, I mean the tech the the the Excalibur technology is workable And some of the best games I've had on the bridge. uh we're from Excalibur but i did it after i did the entire LRH Bridge. Now here at AOGP, based off of that information I I we and and me as C and U CS we give people an option You can take this path or you can take this path. And we give them all of the information based off of it. And Whichever path they want to take, that is self-determined. It has to be self determined. And so it's it's imp it's very important to to say that this is Uh what is key is that if you have a complete And full understanding of it. And if you've listened to our podcast And how many we've done of them and the subjects that we've talked about. We have a very good understanding of this tech. And when I got done with my and I've talked about this in the podcast before, when I got done with my uh new OT seven, I realized that there was more to this. than everything that LRH had created and it was neither confirmed. Um Or denied that O T eight existed and then I moved on. to Excalibur and some of the levels above where I'm at now. So again, I don't want to say to that point though, when you're When one is gone clear and when one has gone OT, when one has worked themselves up through to source and You know, all this stuff. When you when you worked yourself up through the bridge, and if you look at the awareness characteristics right there in the middle. of the bridge you can see you become so clear and certain about who you are one can accurately and I'll use that word can accurately make a determination at that point of of what direction they want to go with their life and their journey. So I I totally understand what you're saying about that. But when you somebody you know, coming in off the street a a brand new raw public, like That that becomes so foreign to you. And y one is just trying to I'm just trying to go clear, bruh. Like I'm just trying to get my I'm just trying to get myself to a place where I'm not fighting myself and self sabotaging myself and riddle with anxiety and fear and and compulsions and repulsion. You know, all this stuff. I'm trying to get myself to a place where I'm better. And so Yes, when when person has gone up the OT levels and come to a full sense of who they really are and all this. Okay. Yeah, what what you want to do now? I I can see yourself having that. Right, and then and and that goes that goes back to KSW. If it isn't broken, don't fix it. Right. We have we we we we have we have that path and that path works fine You don't need to fix it. Leave it alone. But when you get to the end of the bridge and this is where Bill Robertson was and um a couple of the other classates in the field that were trained by LRH, they started developing uh their own bridge beyond that. Um even while LRH was still alive because Robertson left the church because he saw that it had been infiltrated. And and and he he was he was basically being moved to the back of the bus. and uh was forced out because he was Telling people, do you not see the writing on the wall, but that's because the church had been infiltrated. So he said, All right, I'm gonna go off and I'm gonna do my own thing. This is important for this podcast. As you can see that it it it has to be told. And um I'm just relaying it based off of what I've read in lectures. from Bill Robertson on Excalibur as well as other lectures that he gave. Do I agree with everything that Bill Robertson says? There are some things I think go a little shall we say, quote unquote, astray. Because that goes back to the axioms, what's true for you is true for you. Okay. What does this have to do with the field? Everything. Everything. I want to state that you should do the entire LRH. Bridge and you will be given with AOG. all of that information to make your decision and whether you do Excalibur after um new OT5 or you continue on with new OT seven. That's where that split. For us begins. We're fine with it either way. That's your decision. And then onward from there, I will say, and I'm sorry, I'm not trying to belabor this part of the podcast. This is good. I will say that this podcast, this org, would not exist. If it weren't for me doing the entire LRH Bridge, Excalibur and Phoenix. And all of the things in between at all. At all. Oh. Yeah, yeah, this annual special briefing course, the class eight course, class nine course The L's the L's are are They are an amalgamation of the axioms and they are used to get executives to have OT abilities without having to do the entire bridge. They are not a substitute for the rest of the LRH grade chart. And even Bill Robertson says the L's after Excalibur because there was a lot of noodling around by Miscavige and Company and the church on when the L's can be delivered because The L should be delivered when the NOTs case. has been thoroughly and I mean thoroughly handled. You don't handle the NOTs case. With Yeah, I don't know. Everybody sticking with me here. You don't handle the NOTs case on the L's. That was something put there by the church because it sells more intensives. Wait, so okay, uh that's wonderful and I totally understand that. So L11, right? Mm-hmm. Um I wasn't so I I understood that we could do it Prior to O T three You can you you can, but you we did not, if you'll remember, we did not. address the not case. No, not at all. No. But but I'ma tell y'all, let me tell y'all something. Okay. When Jonathan had me on the L Okay L eleven The that thing hits. I'm just I'm just just taking a moment. That thing hits and it is so Good, even where I am on the bridge, it is so so good. So I cannot wait. So after handling addressing NOTs and handling all that, I can't wait to do L10 and L12. Because baby, it was good. Right. Right. And and you know, it should be said that just just like Everything else on the bridge. If you need to go back. Because typically what you do when you do a major OT action is you go back per LRH tech and you go back and you rehab a level Okay. Or the levels you've done. That's good housekeeping as an auditor and a CS. to do. And if you're going to be going in session and and And you find out, well, yeah, I got those gains, or maybe there's some more to do. Uh Al R H even created Uh the extended version uh O T three X, basically. And all that is is more OT3. Okay. So if it's there, it's there and it can be handled. But there isn't anything that can be proven in any of the L's uh materials that the NOTs case is handled. At all or addressed. And it shouldn't be for good reason, which we can't get into because it's confidential information. Now, why am I talking about this? Because it's about the independent field. Yeah. And where we are today in 20. twenty six. Okay. So that goes to The derivations, which we've just talked about, and the preservation of the actual LRH technology. You can call that the bridge, which it is. But that's what it comes down to is you have to keep on that particular path. You cannot deviate from it because That's the accent on ability that Quenton was talking about earlier is If it works, you don't need to mess with it. You need to keep it the way that it is and stop getting or trying to be creative. Or, you know, reinterpreting it. There's no need to reinterpret anything at all. At all. Because it works. And that's why. in these the this connection series, we're taking the time to talk about this and where all of this leads is because And we said this in the podcast. Thanks to the ill repute that the Church of Scientology the the aspect of the P's that that have gotten in and infiltrated it. We're we're making this podcast. And that field is shrinking and getting smaller. Day by day. And somebody needs to do something about it. That's why there is an independent field. Independent field and free zone are two different things. Free Zone is is is the people that that that derive and and go into other areas that they shouldn't go into when it's not broken. So why are you fixing it? Guys, what what do you want to what what do you guys want to say about that? Sounds like you have something to say. Now if it's not broken, don't fix it. That carries a lot of a lot of weight. 'Cause even in admin tech, like when you're running a line, you don't stop every particle just to Look at it and let me see. Uh oh. You you hear two Uh buy your your intensive so that you can go back and session. Let's see what you have there. And meanwhile the guy is just like everything is fine. He just needs to Go from the go from the Rage to Cashier, from Cashier with his invoice to the to the H C and you're messing up the line if you mess with it. It's the same thing even with the tech. It's the It works. Don't try to fix it. Yeah. Leave it alone. Our entire org. Our entire org is designed from the axioms on up. And that's why we have Axiom AI, like I've said before. And we're still we're still building that way and recursively improving it. literally it recursively improving it at this very moment with Axiom AI. for our org so that everything is on policy and in tech. Without ethics granting a person being this the code of honor. all of that and that the human is in the loop and it isn't just robotically applied Does that sound familiar? Robotically applied in the corporate church of Scientology? I think all of us have experienced. experience that here in this podcast and to people that are listening. This is recursive improvement. Yeah. Right. Is because that is That interpretation is where things went wrong in the church. Quenton uh uh Quenton. Well yeah, and and it it just kinda brought to mind uh scripture where it says that uh no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. And I think that in what we're doing as independent Scientologists, the the The way we're applying standard tech And scripture even says, and do You do well that you take heed of it. You do well to take heed of what's already established. What's already laid out, what's already uh uh here for you. You do well to take heed of it. And so I I would just say that's a probably another way of saying if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But Just saying that there's there's a way that has been carved out through discovery. Through painstaking hours and years of of of of digging deep into terra incognita, you know, there there's There's a so much has been done, and the results are proven. Literally proven through case after case after case. Clear after clear after clear, OT after OT after OT, ability after ability after ability we gain. Uh my own. private, uh personal rather, my own personal abilities regain my own I tell you guys in other podcasts about my eyesight. uh improving, about my allergies lifting, about all these other things. So when these things start happening and there's something to it, you would do well to take heed. You see, Try and not try to go after all every wind of doctrine, every fight of fancy, every everything that kinda goes on. thinking that oh this is a new thing. Oh I think we uh On the uh on the personality test, we have a thing that says shiny new thing syndrome. Shine like shiny new things. I like shiny new things. And that makes it That's right. Right. And and this this is something that we brought up a lot of times and and you put it in the in the proper perspective for what we're talking about here. His Alarate says is you ever have any problem with the tech, it isn't the tech, it's the personalities involved. So if you look at that from a personal perspective And you're having a problem with the tech, is it somebody else or is it you? That's preventing you from getting through your shiny new thing. And not proceeding on. Mm? Yeah. That's the personality involved because the tech works. About the man in the mirror. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. And that's that's the thing that people miss is that you have a case. And your case wants to alter things. You can attest to this. Being on OT two, can you not, Quenton? Absolutely. My God. And it's still and again, not to reveal anything confidential. But the stuff that you hit, it's almost like Where the did that come from? Like why would that even be in there? Like Ugh, I can't I can't tell y'all. But it's like why would that even be in there? And the fact that somebody, LRH, Took the time to find that thing that reads. And it reads. And it reads. And it reads to find these things that read, it's like, why would you even think to look there for that? You know? And so there's stuff going I'm bringing all this up to say that there's stuff going on in one's case. And we're not evaluating for anybody. There's stuff going on in one's case that wants you to fail, that wants to lie to you. that wants to keep you in mediocrity, you know, the same old, same old. Whatever that is. Uh, we did a whole episode on implants. Go listen to that one. Um But it wants to keep you in this thing. And you gotta deal with it. That's up to breeze, so go to that. Yeah and and you from your perspective it reads because it's Because it's a misunderstood. It's an altered is. Mm-hmm. It's a lie on the line. That's case. That's the reactive mind. That's what the being has agreed to. That's the personality involved and it is not your personality. That goes back to out out valence and out ethics. Because a being a being that is in ethics does not deviate. Right. And you can feel it at as an ARC break because oh this So interesting you say it this way. You can feel it as an ARC break because You know when something's not you. Like Why did I do that? That that ain't even me. Like I don't even want to be that guy. I don't even want to be that girl. But yet one keeps doing it. You know, and so it's like you you know that there's an ARC break somewhere from U to U. Flow zero or you the others or whatever, you know that there's an ARC break somewhere and you can feel it. And per what we say, at the bottom of every ARC break is an MU. There's a misunderstood somewhere in in this universe. Word, concept, or phrase, right or simple. There's a misunderstood somewhere in this universe, and you be like, wait, I I missed that one. God, I missed that. And then you get these cognitions. You get these conditions for yourself. And it's like. . . And the needle's floating Yeah because the the hardest thing to spot is a missingness. And you stop spot you you you start spotting the missingnesses as your awareness increases. Through auditing, through training. Yes, gosh. Because you stayed on the path. Otherwise, you deal with people in the field that say AOGP this and This auditor that and this person this and all of that. Because well they're the personality involved because they have misunderstoods and they do not understand. what a valuable final product is. And decry those who do understand it because they haven't spotted the missingness. Yeah. Yeah. So That leads us to where where is where is AOGP in the middle of all of this? Let's break that down real quick. All right, now just a quick callback. So in episode one We looked at a classroom and now located on the chain, it opened Like this how this uh season opened, but describing uh a cold open case. Which is basically AOGP's remote courseroom. You have a student, a screen, a check sheet. And you ask where all of this come from? Now there's nine episodes. But we've looked at the answer, the shape you you're looking at all those connections from Thomson's to Thompson to Freud, uh Witch to Phoenix, the Mathison circuit, and the Markline, like the the E meters And you have the study lectures, K SW. You have all of these things that have happened. And then it brings us all here to A OGP now at LGP twenty twenty six Technology that's available on the planet right now allows us to be able to deliver re the bridge remotely. You have auditing and training over distance with the same materials. Which have been quoted in this season. And it's held digitally and it's checked against source. It's on the map. This episode is drawn. And That's not a novelty off to the side. It's the current position on the chain. It's an independent line, but you've got preservation. It's preservation dependent. It's not a new thing. It's we have a corpus with all of LRH's material, and that's what everything is based on. Um we have like for instance, if we can just make an example, we you have um Klaatu, the the course supervisor. It's an AI. that has been trained on LRH's uh materials and it is checked Doesn't deviate. And it just stays. on that path and doesn't introduce any any new things. So The corpus or the materials, materials, this is our verification method. that we actually delivering what LH intended. Now the listeners can judge the placement Look but uh the way that you've judged every conflict conflicting account you just Go back and look on the record and we make it available. All the inner circle members, you have access. to all the LH LRH lectures and the materials. You can go and verify for yourself and you should check it out for yourself. That's basically what we've done what we've just done is Taken today's technology that's available. And we use that to make LRH's bridge. available to anyone on the planet at any point in time. And it's just so beautiful. Is there anything else you want to add to it, guys? Well yeah, and I was gonna say that, you know, the w The evidence speaks for itself. And when you can when you can have an evidentiary standard, I guess if that's the right that's the way of saying it. and uh a standard based on evidence and you see that this thing is is Getting result after result after result, win after win after win, success story after success story, testimonio after testimonial. What ends up happening is anybody who wants to And I said this at the last pot into the last podcast, if you're reaching for something, grab onto something. Right. So if there's a part of you listening to this and it's reaching for like Man, I know I need to start my bridge. I know I need to start doing something. Go ahead and grab hold of something, just do something. And and when you start getting your own evidence When you start your own journey, not it's not his story, it's it's Miss Sory, my story. It's the it's the it's the my story that you're unfolding of yourself. You but you gotta start telling your own story. It's a never ending story. You gotta start telling your own story. If you remember that movie, the never ended story. He was telling his own he was reading his own story. Bastian. Right. So and so you gotta start telling your own story and stop Listen to everybody else's like we say private interpretations and everybody else's da-da What's true for you is true for you. Start telling your own story, and this is the way to start that journey. Right. You have to find out what's true for you. because Scientology is defined as knowing how to know. But the only way you're gonna know is if you start and you keep going. Right. Everybody didn't have a banana allergy or a grass allergy. Everybody didn't have really really horrible astigmatism and couldn't see. Everybody didn't have that. So my story might be different than your story. You know? Right. Right. You have to make the journey in order to get there. Hmm. So what we're What we're gonna go do in the next episode is we're gonna sh we're gonna detail to you How we do what we do. And what how we make these podcasts. And it's the same thing that you can do with us because We're sticking to the tech. We're using KSW. Uh you know, unequivocally. Uh humanely, kindly uh and appropriately sticking to that tech and that is something you can do with recursive improvement. I'll I'll tell you a little story. When I first created our lecture library Back in what was it, Quenton? January or February I started working on it. And I have been recursively improving that. as the large language models get better. And from what we had, uh We're at almost at a year mark. Well just over last week where we started the AOGP remaster and that project. And from there, as we've gone on, uh and and Quenton can attest to this and Simphiwe, even within his window that he's been with us with us is that Things just keep r improving. When we started this was as bad as it was going to be. We cut the lights off and the site went down and we rebuilt it from the ground up. And as the large language models grew in capability, we improved it, we improved it, we improved it. And now we have the Lecture Library 2. 0. And believe you me. Yeah, it and believe you me. And I'm I can't confirm What you're looking at, Simphiwe, because I haven't been on on on our call system to look at it on screen share. But the new one is far better than the one we had originally. And the one we had originally was pretty damn good. Yeah it was. Okay, but this this one It flows better, the karaoke player is spot on. You have a lot of other features that that go along with it and it's gotten better and better and better. So the the whole website will do nothing. but get better and improve as the models improve. This is the same thing that you can do. This is as bad as it's ever gonna get. Or B for you. All you have to do is start. Get on course. Go through it with Klaatu. Do a course, find out what it's like in a professional course, and you will see and and and How many I mean, we've gotten several success stories recently just on the solo one course. And the PTSSP course and everything. And the uh Axiom's Mastery course. And the admin scales just in the last week. But people who are actually using this stuff. Simphiwe talked to uh one of our our clients. Um just the other day and Got in two way communication with them and said you know, hey, you really need to do your admin scales and we've gotten a success story back on that and how how much better their OCA has gotten. All you have to do is start. So we're using this information to to to build the org off of LRH policy and tech. you need to do that too. And I implore you to do that and try our two week free trial. Kick the tires, see what you think, see what we have. And and communicate with other people. We're creating a third dynamic here. Okay. And a third dynamic means an exchange of viewpoints. Not not just, you know, lurk, not just go on course. Talk to other people. Originate. Have a third dynamic that is global. Global. And we'll have our app on the app store next week where you can download the app, do the free week. the the free two week free trial you can get your notifications and everything. You'll be able to call other members. You'll be able to go to the Sunday services. We're going to have lots of other events. All of this. And it's on policy and on tech and you can recursively improve yourself. So gentlemen, do you have anything to add before we end this podcast? No, this is great. Yeah, these are exciting times. That's all I can say. It's exciting times. Yeah. So for Quenton, Simphiwe, and myself. We hope you've enjoyed this podcast. Sorry it was a little long, but Sometimes you have to belabor the point to get people to go, Oh, I should do something. Namaste. And we love you. Bye bye.